Fairing Screw Reference
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Fairing Screw Reference
Hi All,
Searching for the modern equivalent of this screw from the 170B Illustrated Parts Catalogue:
-15 PK76XZ-8-8
Thanks for any help,
Bob
Searching for the modern equivalent of this screw from the 170B Illustrated Parts Catalogue:
-15 PK76XZ-8-8
Thanks for any help,
Bob
Bob Nealon
Southbury, CT
Southbury, CT
Re: Fairing Screw Reference
What that part number indicates is a size/number 8 PK screw, 1/2” long.
“PK” is a reference to the initials of an old mfr’r of sheet metal screws, “Parker Kalon”.
Aircraft Spruce and other aircraft hardware suppliers sell them.
The Spruce PN is 8X1/2-A-TR-PH and they cost about 3-cents each: https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/ ... /zthab.php
Many owners purchase a “screw kit” that has many/most of the exterior screws you will need for fairings and other non-structural fasteners. The 172 kit is appropriate for 170s. https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/ ... -01100.php
The kits consist of stainless steel fasteners and are more attractive and less prone to rust…. however many A&Ps do not like them because they are slightly easier to damage the screwdriver slots as they are slightly softer than plain, cad-plated screws. There are so many extra screws in the kits, and they are so much more attractive than paint-scarred plain cad-plated screws….that we don’t care…we prefer the stainless. (Hint: buy the kit I linked above and you’ll be happy.)
“PK” is a reference to the initials of an old mfr’r of sheet metal screws, “Parker Kalon”.
Aircraft Spruce and other aircraft hardware suppliers sell them.
The Spruce PN is 8X1/2-A-TR-PH and they cost about 3-cents each: https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/ ... /zthab.php
Many owners purchase a “screw kit” that has many/most of the exterior screws you will need for fairings and other non-structural fasteners. The 172 kit is appropriate for 170s. https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/ ... -01100.php
The kits consist of stainless steel fasteners and are more attractive and less prone to rust…. however many A&Ps do not like them because they are slightly easier to damage the screwdriver slots as they are slightly softer than plain, cad-plated screws. There are so many extra screws in the kits, and they are so much more attractive than paint-scarred plain cad-plated screws….that we don’t care…we prefer the stainless. (Hint: buy the kit I linked above and you’ll be happy.)
'53 B-model N146YS SN:25713
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
Re: Fairing Screw Reference
Hi George,
Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for.
3 cents apiece, I need 2 of them so I will start saving up
The exterior screw kit looks like a good bet.
Thanks,
Bob
Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for.
3 cents apiece, I need 2 of them so I will start saving up
The exterior screw kit looks like a good bet.
Thanks,
Bob
Bob Nealon
Southbury, CT
Southbury, CT
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Re: Fairing Screw Reference
Bob, while the IPC calls for a size 8, over time these screws wallow out the sheet or a Tinnerman is forced oversize. Not uncommon. I wouldn't be surprised at all that you will actually need a 10x8.
I've never bought a "screw kit". When I have needed a screw I'd buy 10 of what was suppose to be there, 10 of the next size, and for good measure a few shorter and a little longer. I've got a pretty good collection by now.
I've never bought a "screw kit". When I have needed a screw I'd buy 10 of what was suppose to be there, 10 of the next size, and for good measure a few shorter and a little longer. I've got a pretty good collection by now.
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Bruce Fenstermacher, Past President, TIC170A
Email: brucefenster at gmail.com
Re: Fairing Screw Reference
Bruce,
You big spender
I try to at least order enough so that UPS doesn't make more $$ than Spruce. Share the rest.
You big spender
I try to at least order enough so that UPS doesn't make more $$ than Spruce. Share the rest.
Del Lehmann
Mena, Arkansas
Mena, Arkansas
Re: Fairing Screw Reference
Thanks Bruce,Bruce Fenstermacher wrote:Bob, while the IPC calls for a size 8, over time these screws wallow out the sheet or a Tinnerman is forced oversize. Not uncommon. I wouldn't be surprised at all that you will actually need a 10x8.
I've never bought a "screw kit". When I have needed a screw I'd buy 10 of what was suppose to be there, 10 of the next size, and for good measure a few shorter and a little longer. I've got a pretty good collection by now.
The other screw holding this fairing, which I pulled out for comparison, does not look like a sheet metal screw as it has a flat end and finer thread like a machine screw; the one in question has been replaced with a "button snap" type of fitting similar to the picture below, probably for a cover or something? Both types of screw seem to thread in properly.
Thanks,
Bob
Bob Nealon
Southbury, CT
Southbury, CT
Re: Fairing Screw Reference
Bob, PK type screws have different tips/threads depending upon the intended service. Type “A” is a sharp point… Type “B” is a blunt point…. either will work in most fairings and inspection covers but Type A is usually intended for fastening sheet metal parts that have not previously been served…the point helping to “start” the threading. Aircraft hardware is an intense subject all of its’ own and many volumes have been issued discussing it. You might benefit from contacting someone such as Genuine Aircraft Hardware and asking for their free catalog which illustrates and explains the useage of specialized fasteners… or download their catalog: https://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/i ... o_Kits.pdf
The screw you depicted above is a common marine snap-fitting for boat covers and upholstery and not ordinarily used for aircraft.
The screw you depicted above is a common marine snap-fitting for boat covers and upholstery and not ordinarily used for aircraft.
'53 B-model N146YS SN:25713
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
Re: Fairing Screw Reference
Hi George,
Thank you, I knew the snap fitting had to have been from someone getting creative, I just wanted to return it to "original" but that is never as straightforward as it seems. Plus the reduced drag should make a big difference
Thank you for the Genuine Aircraft Hardware reference, I will look into it.
Thanks,
Bob
Thank you, I knew the snap fitting had to have been from someone getting creative, I just wanted to return it to "original" but that is never as straightforward as it seems. Plus the reduced drag should make a big difference
Thank you for the Genuine Aircraft Hardware reference, I will look into it.
Thanks,
Bob
Bob Nealon
Southbury, CT
Southbury, CT
Re: Fairing Screw Reference
Hi Bob, I have that snap fitting in several locations and they are required to keep my windshield cover on. I would send a picture but I am not near my hangar. cheers Bill
Re: Fairing Screw Reference
Thanks Bill!cfzxo wrote:Hi Bob, I have that snap fitting in several locations and they are required to keep my windshield cover on. I would send a picture but I am not near my hangar. cheers Bill
Whatever they went to is long gone so time to clean her up.
Bob
Bob Nealon
Southbury, CT
Southbury, CT